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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

René Carayol, Global Leadership Keynote Speaker and Chief Executive of CARAYOL

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René Carayol - Global Leadership Keynote Speaker and Chief Executive of CARAYOL

In this episode we hear from René Carayol, Global Leadership Keynote Speaker and Chief Executive of CARAYOL

“But so now with if you've come from where I've come from education is key…. And I've never seen anyone fulfil their full career potential without the intervention of a mentor. What we've realised is start them as early as you can.”

“The objective is to find out one or two things you're outstanding at. So we were going to build your career from I was just sort of the price.”

“There's so much more we can do to support the schools for the students and support the teachers. And I suppose that's my mission in life.”

“I think the world is changing very rapidly, the world of business changing very rapidly. And the world of education is changing very slowly. So therefore, the gap between them is really grown.”

Time Stamps:

[0:43] René’s experience of education

[9:38] René’s thoughts on mainstream education.

[12:41] The importance of digital literacy.

[16:26] Challenges that René’s met during application of his ideas and how he overcame them.

[19:33] Reasons that “changing the conversation” is vital.

[21:14] The importance of early career knowledge.

[25:08] René’s thoughts on bridging the gap between the most disadvantaged group on our education system

Links:

To connect with Zenna Hopson go to www.zennahopson.com

...likely to be hosting this podcast. Third Millennium Education. It's a collection of thoughts and inspirations. Stakeholders within education. What is education for and who is it serving? This's a podcast exploring state mandated education. Its relevance. Impact on how it confessed meet the needs of millennium learners, employers in the country. My interview. Exciting people who have had direct experience of education. Whether you are a parent, training to be a teacher, a policymaker, an academic education innovator, somebody working attack. There will be something for you. I'm your host, Renny Cario. I'm delighted to welcome you to the third Millennium Education podcast. Your background is rich and varied from a director of Pepsi Cola Teo and author of three inspirational books to a coach to I mean many multinational companies and their leaders on DH. I met you through the inspired leaders network that you run, which is just amazing platform for people who are going to get somewhere but need a little bit of inspiration to get there. So I know the education is at your core, and I'm delighted to welcome you on. I'd like to kick off by asking you initially, what's your experience of education. Good. My experiences. Very look. It's a privilege and a pleasure to be here, Zahra. And if there was ever a moment in our lives for education is important, in fact is not just important. Today, it's become vital. It's vital, and you know I run the biggest change. Education for me was 1997. Tony Blair's education, education, education and what it meant for where I came from was further education was it was a dream for most of us, and I remember my father went to Catholic school. It was a grammar school the day I joined, and that was the last year. This is also...

...something to do with me. He was its last year's a grammar school when I joined Car Lazy Boy School down in horse and north. This lump there were three boys, three black boys. In my entry, I was to come back some 15 years later is a government where they were three white boys In the entry. The school have done a 360 great degree turner from being the most prestigious Catholic school in the air, where everyone does know waiting. Mr Trying, getting it had gone to school, where there was struggling to fill the places. 15 years after that, I went back after being a governor, went back to the school, and it was the most tragic sort they couldn't fill the first year. They just didn't have enough students. And I worked with Danny, called the most amazing him teach and what he decided to do to save him. I'm gonna take the Children of the immigrants, those who have come really lately. The refugee Children move up. Nobody wants. And he made an offer to Brent council that they take all the refugee Children they sort of. They said Okay, so everyone in the area went to school. Black, white, green, brown, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Everything. And hey, kiss one high performance, absolutely stunning performance because they know the sacrifice their parents have given, and they gave it everything. The school often was shot like a rocket performance going through the roof and is a real moral to that storey. When I joined, my parents had come from Gambia on. When I joined the school, all they sacrificed their middle class lives in county to get their kids educated. The dream was if you applied the colonies back in most things we have the black, the maybe blue hospitals from Great Britain, Britain and the colonies. It was the mother country and went Britain had left us turn for our independence. They had left us with good junior schooling, primary schooling, Hi...

...schooling, but no tertiary education. So the dream was all around the West African coast. Gambia's Sierra Leone, Ghana, Nigeria. Parents sacrificed their life for those who could afford it. To come to London to get their kids through the university. And the dream was the crazy rumours you get into university. Even your hyperactive Gambia. They didn't realise that we've become Londoners and home was London. And I was really lucky. I stayed on to the 61 like enoughto get to university. One of very, very few in our year. Very, very few end up your your two black fellow students. Did all three of you make it to university on four trains? No, but they had vocation careers. If you came from where we came from, you wanted toe work. He wants to make a difference. Wants to help our home your education with the key pathway to doing that. It was never explained to us that university was an option. Was explained to us was we could get decent jobs. But when I went back as a governor, I remember going back to the government asking the my fellow governors and the head teacher, what could I help with most? And it was like the unified chorus in stereo Dolby Sound. Everyone said work experience was allegedly working through. He said, Nobody thinks about offering work experience of kids from this school. Just please, please, please get us some work experience. So this leaves me with the following morning. Put together a note, sent it around. I need 20 places. Working spirits, please, Within the hour. Zenda, I'm hungry. Police is 500 places and it was a little herb. If you ask, you ask him the right way and you've got a relationship magic happens at lately. We kept it to 20 to make it work. But the lessons I learned through that period for the students it was transformation. But I remember the day...

...before they were on the Sunday before l started. I got a call from the head teacher and she said that this was about bus fares, train fares, transportation said no. Well, their budgets are going to spread to this. How they gonna get in a panic? I've come to know I've walked emotions years. I've moved away just a few miles away by Mazel being on a different planet. And the lesson learned from me was to pay everyone's bus. Very train fares for their two weeks of work is we felt, teach me Tio, understand what it was really like. But so now with if you come from where I've come from, education is key. We must work every year way, save ourselves. We do tentacles in 10 different schools every year, and we ran for mentoring schemes of four different schools. We've been running them through. The spy leaders met for the last 10 years on end. I've never seen anyone fulfil their full career potential without the intervention of a mental. What we've realised. Start the Missouri as you can, And so we do. Lillian Bailey, school based technology. So Gary, the head, we'll be friends of his parliamentary seat, and last year we did, he said his 15 year olds with the best of it. But They just let confidence they'll bring academically, but they lacked confidence. So I get a bunch of my TV a bunch of my major league by leaders network, so make it so we can intercept them. Easy ritual. The mentoring on site at the school. So all the safeguards there it is easy to read. So within six weeks, run and run. And I thought this amazing of doing the head to teachers and three issues, and I was amazing. Girl doing She's inherited, have very quiet, and she's got the rucksack. If we're hands through, it sets in front of her more Overbeck. She's sewed, cowering, She's shy, she's introverted. And I've done loaded tools for that. My old or my latest books Fight. No one has written everything but everyone's bring that something. The objective is to find out whether to freeze your outstanding act so weak facts where you build your houses one of the prince, and so I'm doing these...

...spike mentoring sessions. Tried happen. Find what? They're brilliant and she comes in, puts the bag between me and her, and she hides behind it. I said, What did you just once you don't have any spice. I said we're gonna go home tonight. You speak to your loved ones, Your brothers, your sisters, your mother or father your grand. And you ask them what they think will bring it. I'm not bringing anything. I said what? Spiked with one spike. Please, can you give me the spike of confidence? So I'm gonna Georgie, I'm good at chemistry on good visit, but just one confidence. We're gonna speak to folks goes up. Speak. So, folks, she comes back a week later on to now. This is what do they say? Well, they didn't really make sense to me. They said Really silly things I'm good at is nothing special. But what did they say? They said I'm generous, very blowing kisses. I care about others and there's no one. I won't help. That's no good to me. Whom he throws this plex. Could you believe that if they are outstanding flakes, they are brilliant spikes. And we talked them through what she could do. The third time I went, the rucksack was on her back. She skated, came in, sat down and she said, I'm I know what my slice us. What are they? I'm generous I care for people and I'm kind of people I'm flying. I'm so, so pleased. I want my spikes and it's a great storey that teachers have some things to do which they do breathing. But it is a learned Fawcett society. We should get involved. There's so much more. We could do sports schools for students, of all the teachers. And I suppose that's my mission in life. So in terms of the EU, said the teachers, a brilliant and I completely agree with you. I love your Storey and I love that young woman. I think has spikes are amazing, but we have in our schools. We have Children for six hours a day, seven hours a day in our schools, and we put them through a system which gets them to an end point. In this case, 16 GCS is. Do you think that system is working? Is it...

...giving you what you need as an employer? I heard the other David A levels were launched in Muhammed fifties or sixties. Haven't yeah, haven't been looked at since? I think the world is changing very rapidly. The world of business change very rapidly, and the world of education is changing very slow. So therefore the gap between is really grown. I did. I did somewhere come earlier this year with the Zone four or five complice working in the technology industry there. I think they call them talent acquisition. Okay, what they do is they sit between the company and the recruiter. The recruiter finds and says you've got the right attributes for their technology. Helps Oracle, Google, apple of the sister of that ilk. Myself, you've got all the attributes, but you haven't got some of the prerequisites and they're gonna neat team player, organised communication, self starting all the things that whose responsibility is that? So these couples afford to sit between the recruiters and the companies and they're paid for by the companies. And they run 6 to 8 week programmes to make them oven ready to get them from the raw material uncut diamonds to get them to be the gens ensuring that they hit the ground running. Not that they only last six weeks of really but what that says to me. There's a the gap is growing for those town acquisition organisations have found work to do. Surely that's the work of the education system. But I think instead of coming out of these companies, they should be moving towards education, because if we could weave that in there, how many more of those students would come out feeling so much more confident and ready? Tto much just being a concussion, But be a sparkling diamond? Absolutely. Say those skills that you listed teamwork, creativity, self starting...

...associate, I suppose, the softer skills that you feel that employers are looking for. But schools are actually taking out that stood out that they said if they had this, who would make them the most recruited person? Joel, Once it was a technical skip Excel, the spreadsheet, this the water table to tell the city view Excel. You hit the ground running now. Surely that's not beyond the school's important. Excel them more than anything else on the day against employability. Survey the one technical skill more than anything else. That, and it shocked me was that sound. But once hold on, Why are we teaching general digital literacy in a more general way? I mean kids. I mean, thankfully, a lot of Children now are leaving school able to reading, right? I couldn't do that till I was 12. But young people are getting that most of the time, But digital literacy is missing on just you saying that seems like that's a really vital skill I want the opportunity to go back to. There's so many well intentioned employees, like whilst the work experience by 100 places, I'll be assertive. But, you know, I got 100 places. Boy, we asked them to be part of this think tank. Why don't we ask them to move a little closer to school? I think unlike when I was a school. The solution to many of our hills today is business. They're not that scary, profit mongering, people. We fit there. I think so. Pay that this year's genius social conscience. It's real, it's real. And there's a generation that demanding of their employees. And now it's not why I was not green, but she's not. We will remove the cynicism, drag them in to be getting involved in the communities they serve. So you know. So I got it. I got a boat with a bunch of guys, bunch of wealthy, wealthy capsules. I mean red bloody ca, Liberace, castles and...

...eyesight, pushing them about interns so well in the days when you could go out for a really good dinner, we went for really smashing dinner, and I ended up just ruining the dinner by lecture, lecture, lecture. What do you guys doing about graduates? Would you mind and black graduates is back? Blah blah, my llama. A year later, four of them at this dinner launched this 100 black Quench its scheme to use it. Really proud of this week they launched 10,000 black graduate interns. 10,000. It's a fantastic game, one of the companies I currently work for, We've just signed up for it or a small company. But we're in here fighting Jews to you. Well, well done indeed. Because 10,000, that's a game changer. That is a game change. Now I want to do a similar thing, but let's go a few stages before university. What can we do for some with come? Bombings were looking at those who leave University believes school 16 17, well educated. But I don't really know what they want to do. What can we do for them? And as a sort of, um, being a lifelong chancy family way. Start the conversations when we use you at the Chelsea the stadium and it just so happens, you guys, it's at the end of our Oh is the chief executive of Compass Katri Households Catering Company. And he says there are 600,000 employees use at any given time, any more than 10,000 vacancies. So we grabbed him way spoke to the forces, maybe several wistful vacancies on what we've spoken to all the all those beautiful from the animals of the forest. And just seeing that, is there an opportunity for those who are leaving school? Who university may not have bean for them. But what did? What difference could we make if we had employment opportunities for? And what do we need to do to bridge to get when they leave school to make them appropriately ready? So into ST please.

The premise is, just having a job does something for everyone's confidence. It may not be the job you're gonna have forever, but just working, being able to pay away gives everyone a different level of confidence as opposed to those many we know, especially in the city who leave school looking around especially on the cove is the opportunities may not be that way. So you're starting. And I absolutely love this this initiative, this project on I think that there is a real opportunity to broaden the funnel which says you do GCS you do a level to go to university. If you don't do that, it's going over. And so I love you trying to put some grit in there. I can't some fully with you with the team you support, but I absolutely love the initiative. If you have, how you gonna bring that to life? So first, you getting good traction, I got your barriers. And how you gonna bring that to life? It's a really good, really good. So the biggest issue we've got it, but also the easiest issue. By far the easiest is getting its way with the Met police and who all the most popular employer in the inner cities. But they want to be, so we're helping them. The biggest shot of getting into the employees isn't there's a social conscience or only a couple of slammed the door in my face. I have more to me that maybe a Chelsea fan than anything else but no. Everyone's up to have a conversation, and it's some of my colleagues. I'm going with a surprise. I'm not. I'm not there, just no asked in the right way. If we can approach him in the right way and make it easy for them to contribute, so find out what, what sort of capabilities of a looking for? Where do they have vacancies? That's the place to go to first, where there's a need and what we found was the toughest thing. Because there are any youth clubs and community centres where they used to be. The students have...

...fragmented. How'd you go along and find a big enough bunch? How do we get How do we speak to him in a way that we get hundreds to apply? That's our biggest challenge. So through my spy leaders met where we got our feelers out there winning groups of 5 to 10 years. How groups of 1000, that's our biggest challenge. There's no place to you know, back in the day you go to youth clubs, you go to the whole range of youth clubs and you get speaks. But once the lift education has good schools don't have along nice have you, Uncle Ting? A real challenge off line and ask this podcast. I'll have a conversation with you because I've got several ideas about how you could do that. Andi, I honestly is we underestimated. And the guys on with with With With Michael George only family. Green House. He's the driving spirit behind it, but is about five of us, and each one of us brings something different. But the objective is, I think we are, I think auto employment for those who might just be miss through no one's fault. Really, I think that it does broaden. I completely agree with you that actually changing the paradigm and saying to young people that there are more than one route, toe happiness and success. I think it's something that's absolutely essential in education at the moment because we set young people up to fail. We tell them that you have to fight TC SCS with English and math. Well, still, we quiet. I think we're up to about. On average, about 38% fail Joon young people up right from day one to feel like they haven't achieved in their very basic, so changing that conversation, I think, is vital and you're absolutely right. But the bit that we found that surprised me and inspired me was that every single business we've spoken to, there's an opportunity for further education. Later, if you start to make a difference with the monopoly started Working Brothers in longevity, there many different routes to getting to the goal that you want. But I think the...

...moral if of the Tomb of Jesus is my A levels. I want to get to you. That's not the only route anymore. What the only route table I don't. So I see only advisor Border Roehampton University ever happens quite the reason I'm doing it. Because 71% of its students the vein that horrible fall, it'll think several several students from minorities Now. That's very how the second thing two thirds of their students from a two mile radius within one's worth again. That's very, very special. And many best use a little bit older because they've come through different routes. They had to work, they couldn't go straight to universe and I had to look. So someone comes to a B tech route, something come through the lover. But what we found with, um, they've got the capabilities employeesand book, resilience, determination team that because it was for companies want before they come in to study. There was something that the roar of students who just ran straight from school don't have it. In this moment of Kobe, we're trying to position them the Perhaps they got the USB that might be different. I share your love of Roehampton University. I guest lectures. I think they call it. They're in a number of occasions on It is or inspiring because the students are different to that, which I might say in many other universities on what they have to say is more challenging and more engaging. But I just want to bring you back to that employability peace thinking about as as a young person who maybe hasn't done that well at school. I haven't got all the bits of paper that say I've got My GCS is I've got my own levels. How does demonstrate to you is an employer? You're my first employer. My first job application that I've got resilience. I've got determination, I've got great. What is it that we need to be helping our young dreamers do this question. So...

...for my sins, I also electorate cast fish in school And so I do the MSC management. But because I'm the business person I walk out to marry Wolf, come out of after his credit sleeps or I'm coming out of girls. I'm walking straight into cats. So what we decided was the accidental visiting professor who does the last four models of the MSC and management. Welcome to the changing World shoes. It's too late there to us always nonsense for the past eight months and you're waiting till the very end. So I now do the first four murders and you know, and festivals a lot of money professors coming city because they know sod all about the changing world of work cycle the progressive, my first. So that said to me, What is it I wish you were doing in schools Precisely the same thing going in. Welcome to the changing world of work. But northern 16 year olds get down earlier as early as you can and some deceit are What is this Storey? So I'm doing a careers fair, a London business school, and we got you this the n b A. Because of 2090. So I've got all the sharks and their Marks and Spencer's British Airways British. They want to get the best of swim to trust. 2090. I do the closing talking. I'm leaving on this young come potential chefs that I really like that Lou, would you come and do that? My school for l soon's She was so compelling wouldn't give up for me around the car park. A week later, I'm driving down to his office. I'm going to do it to look at the career fair at the school. What's in my head? 15 16, 17 year olds. What are Dr Ainsley Wood Primary School once try going. She's got me talking to the five and six year olds. They prepared the careers fair for the five and six year old. I'm doing a 10 minutes or so. Now you know what fine C throw the toughest audience you could ever get. No games. A nicely modern. I'll give...

...you information. If you're rubbish, they tell you. So I prepared this 10 minutes and it goes down really well. They see who have heard a feather drop The unit called the city quietly when they're finishing him. Employ around the halls, which really, really hurt this one now. So stand up again in the same people. This 10 stations and there's ambulance amusement. It's nurses from the N H s. They still follow all unique. Cool. There's a couple guys from the gym, So citizen's rights and they're going groups of three. And they silently go to each desk while my 15 and six years old and they going in these people and telling them about the career. Ammon's fine, So don't leave him in the head. Teacher says we should thank you so much. You're never too young to have dreams, hopes and dreams about your career. You've given them something to focus on on. Now, when we started talking about the extracurricular, sir, it makes sense is that fixated themselves on something they could do many years down the line. And I think we listen. You're never too young to other careers too fantastic. So you would be looking at actually, your whole theme and message here is that we need to bring the world of work on education much closer together much much less pure. How are we going? My You know this because you know me. But my absolute passion is how education further leaves behind young people already disadvantaged on it. Does that because they are more likely to be excluded on. They are less likely to be understood in the classroom. What are your thoughts on how we can bridge the gap between the most disadvantage on our education system? So I thought, that is against you've nailed this one. Because if we can crack this only cracked wrist, it's the report. You know, this is a bit like the black ones. Might he cracked the black one. All the other races get sold because they're so far down at the bottom of them. If we could get those kids have been excluded...

...and left them a rising tide floats once. So we a man Lord John Mash, You know, there's a storey about this ridiculous main dropping the queen's election main drop. So I went, but it's ridiculous name. I get invited to the House of Lords to do some talk and sing in front. Load is Lord your mess. When he was at the time, junior official minister for David Cameron's government. We could not be more diametrically opposed in terms of our politics. We just couldn't be. It's just like the furthest corners, the ways you could imagine and William Okay, But then he approached me, said, Would you mind coming down to pick me up at school and digital? For Haskins was opinion fiscal scared? It's certainly shortcuts are farmers have a pretty good school, and it's him and his good wife lady much. They have do this thing and it is phenomenal. It's a stone's throw from Stamford Bridge, Chelsea, but it wears will be a different world away. It's Pimlico pellets off, I think they said 100 ords nationalities in the school and Sam, bring the head teacher. She is Wow, you're an inspirational leader. I remember the morning that I was coming down to do my first school, and this is just the way of giving some colours in the conversation. I'm a couple of parents, have some 50 cuffs in reception. Does it have a bit of a row in the local Tesco? And Shan's first time of the day was parting the parents, you know, So we come in and I'm coming to give the tool and it just took me back to when I sat in a similar assemble 40 million years and what I realised I could connect. I could really connect with them. I remember sitting in missions and I was able to galvanise with Griffey storeys of the route...

...upwards, where the learning, the mistakes I've made. The mistake is when you learn from it, I had them for half an hour I had, and so I go back now four times a year. Go back and we continue this B and what I'm trying to do all the time is get them inspired about the changing world of work and try and support. Each time we go, we try and choose. The topic is a communication how to tell stores how to be a team player and giving examples and set some stuff to do so when I come back this year with me and I'm working in harmony in unison with the teachers and I think well, I've seen a lot of this recently. Centre loads of us who came from the places where far too many kids are being excluded goes back into schools. This show that you know you're not lost, you have every opportunity. But I kept saying to him the only thing that separated me from them hard with the determination. Get down, stay here, get you down and you could be doing good And it's fascinating because when I finished, I get mocked for about 20 minutes and they get late for their next class. Is they just want They all got one question to us. It's a real question, something you can see. Their minds are thinking about what they might do next. What if we mobilised 1000 of US 2000 US 10,000 of us? That it was as our voluntary was to make ourselves available to the teachers, to pick up the bits where the teachers aren't that well versed in the changing world of him and bring some excitement not just coming, saying after they have bring some excitement with storeys from the front line. Fantastic, Ready? It's as always, a complete pleasure to talk to you, Andi. I hear your key themes bringing work and education closer. I'm adding one, possibly actually going...

...back to teacher training and looking at you doing your talk on the changing world of work. Two teachers, perhaps directly. What a great idea s so that they can pick up on that. Giving young people an opportunity to be inspired, giving them people that look like them sound like them can raise them up. I love your vision, Rennie. On. I think I love making business, giving them a response. Social responsibility for educating the next generation if you want come and get involved in helping to deliver them. Um, I mean, I am delighted with your storeys of how willing businesses to get involved here, you know? So we talked to Bark is at the moment you measure be fearsome, profitable bank and we're talking about They've got a bunch of people who want to volunteer, especially very covert, where they feel dislocated. But through so that all. Why learning? They feel they. Why can't we get into the school that the school's online? I'd love to help out and see what I could do. What? What can Only doing 20 after doing excel masterclass in 20 minutes. You know, I might have to talk to him about working with an anti whatever it is But I do know underestimate how many good people there that their companies will sponsor helped, um, allow them to come in with the school's. There's a whole world full set to be attacked in Fantastic. Well, let's hope that some of your vision comes to a reality ready carrier and absolute pleasure. As always. Thank you for taking the time to talk to Mae is my my place. Look, keep up the fantastic work. Look how students are our future. If we don't invest in them, who's going to carry on? Thank you. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Third Millennium Education. I'd like to know what has been your biggest takeaway from this conversation. If you did enjoy this episode, do hit the subscribe button to continue to receive...

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