Third Millennium Education
Third Millennium Education

Episode 13 · 7 months ago

Hannah Jones, Founder of Connecting Learning

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Hannah Jones, founder & director of Connecting Learning talks about how technology can benefit education.

Hannah Jones says “Technology needs to make learning easier, quicker, or better.”

“Learners need to get excited about creating content online and collaborating together.”

“It is important to have fun while learning.”

“Technology needs to make learning easier, quicker, or better.”

“Learners should have the option and the ability to use technology as part of their evidence in learning.”

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Third Millennium Education, it is a collection of thoughts and inspirations of stakeholders within education. What is education for and who is it serving?

I'm delighted to be hosting thispodcast. Third Millennium Education. It's a collection of thoughts andinspirations of stakeholders within education. What is education for? Onwho is it serving? This's a podcast exploring state mandated education, itsrelevance impact and how it can best meet the needs of third millenniumlearners. Employers on the country. My interview. Exciting people who have haddirect experience of education, whether you are a parent, training to be ateacher, a policy maker and academic or an education innovator, nobody workingattack. There will be something for you. I'm your host. Centre hopes today. I am delighted to welcome HannahJones to the third Millennium Education Punch card. She's the founder ofConnecting. Learning on has led national and global, and I see Ttransformation projects and education. She's crazy, even initiative oneducated with a real emphasis on what happens in the classroom. Hannahwelcome. They very much. Thank you very much. I'd like to start off with areally open ended question. Tell me a bit about your experience of education.Either is a professional or the user, you know, review Hannah and education.Uh, there's a user. I am. I was very math since team focused. Let's put itthat way. I didn't really do any English crosswords inform the school.So I was very much focused on. I would have loved it. A sort of vocational,secondary pro gently. But I had a good education to write, and I enjoyedinvitation on then, since during that I was a teacher and all facing schools,including special schools, got the leadership but then went to work withlittle authorities. Did the literacy numeracy on got involved in technology.I saw interactive whiteboards being used on the news to explain the war, actually, andthought they would be good in education on DH, the national strategies. Iwanted to do a project. Charles Clarke was 50 million to expand that projectas it was successful. I mean, silly technology, really. Having worked intechnology, it became very clear very quickly is all about the ladies shoesof that. I'm planning that to make sure we've got some sustainability andsystems in place. So I went tio with the National College, another privilegeof working the some of the lady and heads in the country in terms ofpushing the technology, gentlemen, forward on supplies as well. Then wehave building skills for the future and that I've been looking to work with thelikes of learning crowd and Stephen happily, you second guessed on theirchild in there and some real innovators in terms of really making best use ofthat design all technology or never...

...approach new timetable new curriculumto actually deepened the learning. Whether the lenses are, however,whether they're in school, I'm Alex privilege. Like now I get to work withsome academies interests doing same thing, both here in international ice.It's bright. So take me back to you, watching the news and seeing aninteractive white Well, what year was this? Oh, no. Sit back 20 years ago, probably now on thestrategies were obviously looking to put technology in schools as well.First of all, we had a 100,000 to a pilot in six local authorities. I'mfrom Cumbria, Teo Oxford, the Brattle Forest on Do we have the pleasure ofworking with 10 of the sort of handpick skills and some great consultantsbecause I'm arrived folks on the teaching and learning it went well, butyeah, that was 20 years ago. I'm not certainly attractive White Board shouldbe in schools now. I think the technology has definitely moved on, butwhat it did do was reduced the fear of technology and just put the touch infront of the hand of teachers and learners. So I think it placed it thata decade after you started that work, I was going around a lot of schools andvisiting as I wass in fact, just the other way. And I'm still surprisedbetween the gap between the art of the possible and what is actually happeningon DH. Certainly at the early noughties, which is when you were looking atwhiteboards, we were also talking about how technology could enable a powership talent could do you could be a real disruptor. What do you feel havebeen the great successes of technology in the classroom and what's still yetto come? And then maybe a bit about why I think there's some fantastic work,very normal in many, many academies and across many trust all phases andspecial. But obviously there are some Academy is where that hasn't been. Thefocus on that might be well, we know financial the majority of heads budgetsdo need to go on staff. And actually, you know, I won't want to be in anyheads position with budgets at the moment. S Oh, absolutely sympathy thereso that it just hasn't been the investment sometimes. But there aresome really good examples. I think the successes at the moment are definitelysort of office. 365 Goodwill for education in terms of learning fromhome and leading anywhere on organising that online learning within schools.Good use of presentation technologies that are a lot of schools and academiesnow also moving towards a 1 to 1 solution within their schools,particularly secondary schools on There's a lot of good supplier's comingup with solutions to help them do that financially as well. But that of thestructure in place so presentation technologies within the classroom, theamount of devices get into the hands of...

...learners and teachers on the you know,the communication told that environment like office 36 5 all Google environmentto just make sure that learning is accessible for anybody anyway. You knowit completely supports the equity and access agenda in terms again technologyinto the hands of learners. Well, what do you think? It, I suppose. What? I'mvery struck by the technologies that if I look at my own technology,transformation just is a little old May from the early noughties, too. Now,technology, whether it's the Internet, things in my doorbell or my heatingsystem or my ability to know where my parcel is. Um, Tio, how I communicatewith my friends every day has really radically changed anything. Educationis kept up with that technology opportunity. I can I can hear what yousay about money, but I wonder if there's something more. If you feelit's kept up, that's great. If no, if there's something more than just moneycompared to the rate of other sectors, yes, we've kept open. Actually, in manycases we're pushing forward. You know, schools have done an excellent job interms of supporting the remote learning. Currently on yesterday ways to reflecton that and we've got a lot of findings that are coming out from that. I mean,I'm looking at the recent peace to serve at the moment January 2021 interms of what it calls them out, learning I'm 39% of parents didn'tthink that their Children were engaged in remote learning on that went up to59% for pupils with any type of special educational needs, your disability. Soyou know, 40% and 60% saying no, it's not working. Um is quite a high figure,and we need to work on that. But in terms of the sector adopting technologyand you're going to get the standard distribution of those that having thosethat haven't yes, I think we're fairly well up back on guy. Think we've gotgood models, too, to make it even better. You know, at the moment we'rein the data trusts. Going through single talus is just so that everythingthat you've mentioned from data monitoring to communication is justthat much better and that much more some seamless. We've got the egg, takemental strength to schools and colleges, 50 off them that are doing somefantastic work and each of them working with the back 40 or 50 other academies.You know, school's going into 1 to 1 projects and schools is they'rebuilding this up and now it is a priority for everybody's is one of themain priorities. You know, we may go back into this that we're looking forsolutions to really help them improve land on the solutions right there on DHoften on no. As expensive as you would think or as they used to be, thesedemonstrator cites working with up to 50 school. Pick out some things thatreally excited you thatyou thing coming...

...out of those I've talked about the oneI know the most. Which is Sophie's Hee Park in Walsall with with head teacherYeah, Sally Lanny on It's my colleague That many works with Dr Diabetes Wyler,but they have been working. Really. They're big, full form entry primerestoring morsel. They've been working Teo improve their use off often 365communicated till they're smarter protease tools. So that very muchlooked at the interactive teaching and learning. They're very much leadershipon developing talent and capacity within the school focus. I recentlythey've done a framework like the old S R F support schools, you actuallyjudging where they are in terms of learning from home, so that actuallythat Khun benchmark themselves so that we can reduce these high figures oflearners that aren't engaged, but also look at all aspects from training Teo,safeguarding the safety within those online environments. So now they'retools out there that can be used and adopted by Ladyship James within acondom use across the country on DH. Other demonstrates schools will havetwo from focuses, so it's definitely worth a look on their Web site to seewhat's available on what free sport and peer support is available through theprogramme. I definitely want to come back, Tio, what you're saying aboutthose tools that actually capture the learning of young people and theprogress that they're making in their levels of engagement because I thinkthere is a big issue around now. We've, you know, twice. We've said thatactually, your your end goal of your exams can be managed differently on Ithink I've really like to hear your thoughts on what that different mightlook like. But before we get there, a lot of what you're talking about isreally impactful is stuff that I would know from my professional life. It'sthings that I am using, so I'm running teams meetings, not got. We've all gotour white holds up on teams that were interacting, brain storming ideas andthink, Where is at one point I was hearing a lot about things like therolls or mentioned reality we play in teaching and learning and inside Havewe gone down a more prosaic but practical and deliverable route? Or arethere things that are slightly more out there that practise aren't in oureveryday lives that are happening in education? That might end up being abit of us of a driver for a revolution? Yeah, I think they're both on. And Ithink that the trick is having that, um, whatever is best purposeful from herfor that teach nor learning. So at the moment, I'm working a lot withvocational education and the tech sector. A look for you if I actually hear theydo some excellent projects and from...

...some excellent projects for those thatare looking to use technology to support vocational learning, I'll giveyou the link for their work. Some really, truly excellent one. But at themoment we're working a lot in the care sector on using the R, and they are toactually support the leadership, the structures to bring the sort of S m Acare providers under a sort of technology roof, but also advice there.I'm obviously the benefits that they are. They are. They have in terms ofremote training, on assessment in terms of lifting and handling in terms ofVilla puncture and actually delivering that process safely. You know, we'vegot haptic holograms the dentist now use in terms of half a cadaver fortheir training's on DH. That's like actually touching the teeth on theincest spend on. The accuracy improves, you know, changing it a stain on apatient. No patient will want you to practise that on them 20 times, butactually we can use technology successfully on in a real lifesituation as possible, whether that be in a large care home or in somebody'sliving room. We can change those environments. So actually that the i r.In the deal, in my opinion, on in those that were working with hugely help interms of the trailing, the preparation, getting those people into that sector,so actually said that they can see it safely. You know, technology is a greatenvironment. Sea environments safely on to practise those environments, so thesummit Really exciting work going on there. There is another project where aHamlet she scorned seeks on that one. So I want you to write that one. Butthat will be hugely exciting for education. Andi Esteem Surely going through, I'llgive you an update of bitters. I confide. Definitely want an update onthat. So what I'm hearing about things like they are in a R is that actually,they could have a really transformational role, particularlyvocational learning and practical learning. Andan I saw in augmentedreality demonstration off the human body some 15 years ago Where this nonexistent creature a hologram. Something popped up in a classroom. I mean, wewere all on the edge of our seats. I mean, I was there with the students.This is wicked, but obviously there was a long way to go to making it a usefullearn until that at that point, it was just like, Wow, we're really having agood time here. So I assume that you can tell us about applications ineducation. I'd be really interested. But before we move on, and I justwanted to be a bit of a pusher on this technology. There have been a lot ofplanes about the role of artificial intelligence in learning, particularlyan assessment in feedback in exam...

...preparation. And there are companiesthat I, you know I'm gonna mention, because I know that if they could buythe re different, but who really set their stall out on using Ay tio drivelearning for young people on, I wonder where you've seen great examples whereyou've got some questions. Whether you think that is, it's somewhere where wewill go where actually teachers won't be assessing. Your learning machinewill guided and facilitated by the teacher at all times because we have todecide what we're assessing on DH. Why and hopefully the sort of nationalassessment structures will also move towards more reversal of technologybased approach as well, eh, so that we can do that seamlessly. I think I willhave and can have a huge benefit in terms of learning that I mean, I CT cando three things it can represent. Information on that information can beeasily changed into multiple forms to represent it to various uses. It can beused to collect and analyse that information and also eat providesinstant feedback. Where is no teacher? Although I've seen some excellentexamples when I've been helping my niece, let's say help him when theystill have my turn work of how teachers get interacted it it can provideinstant feedback now the average feedback loop in secondary schools, atleast when I looked into this sort of 15 years ago, so I'm not saying nah,booze was, on average, two weeks. Where is technology is instant and I I canonly help support. That is, all it will do is analyse strength sweetens isdirected to eat except et cetera. I must admit I haven't seen specificexamples in schools. I'll not be interested to see them. I really gotbad examples of every time I give or something. Facebook lets me know that Ican have 20,000 of them. So again, I think what is important and it's thetime to do it now. As ever before, we really see an incessant this pushed bysuppliers that heads get involved, lead that way as to what will be useful interms of that process. But I'll be interested to hear about that one.Haven't got specifics for you. But I'm done That Will will. By the end of theway I saw looked like Thanks. Thanks for picking that one example of Zen ofus fight. But what ideo I like keeping an eye on their toes. No, I mean it isIt is interesting to me because the loss of the technology businesses thathave set up talking about Aye aye learning assessment. They are verycontent driven on stuff before I come to assessment because it is so notforgot because I'm obsessed with it on this this tension in our lives at themoment between the impart and therefore an education between the acquisition ofcontent, Andi, skill development and...

...skills learning. So I've interviewedquite a few people on the podcast so far, and the employers are often sayingwhat I'm actually looking for is somebody who conduced, demonstratecreativity or critical thinking or knows how to work as a team. And sothey're looking for skills. And who were you with the assessment? And yetwhat we're measuring is content acquisition in the main. Not always. And I wonder what role you feel thatthe technology that you're working within schools are actually enabling amore rounded approach to that whole skill development pieces opposed tocontent about them yet definitely. I mean, there's a set when you asked herthe one of the city's key things. At the moment, it's those environmentsthat aren't content but their infrastructures to enable. Yes, theloading, on reviewing of content, but also the discussions, thecollaborations, the different channels, the projects. The one note you knowthat they really put the tools in the hands of the learners and the teachersto do that successfully and to have a successful online environment. I thinkyou have tohave the training on DH, the time ball teachers on learners. Todevelop those structures on, you have to have the technical support to makesure that May is a mass departments. I want to run it this way. I want thesepeople took this permissions. I want to do these type of activities. I have atechnical person that consistent my office 365 environment for me to dothat so I can focus on the teaching and the learning. They're having the mostimpact and learning on there. The absolute tools to do the skillsdevelopment. You will need some content in there. I've just mentioned care, Youknow, they're absolutely some media content, some discussions that we needin the But we've got the tools to do the job. We just need the training, thetime, the examples on DH, the templates to put those environments in in quickly.And I mean, that's really encouraging because a few years ago I was workingon a project which wass looking at I won't say which. I'm sure you all know.I was looking at how you really deliver an entire creek and through project byslamming very, very focused on science and technology on DTH e effort in thenmak ng back to the content correctly, which you had to do was quite made onetiny head hurt, but half the time, the only way to deliver that wass around abig table with lots of bits of paper on. So hearing you saying how we can usetools like Google Classroom or 365 So actually do that remotely. Does thatbenefit the way we think the school day will be structured and he can he can affect the way theschool days structured, I mean again, they've recently I saw in the press theother day the five term curricular.

We've also had staggered start timeswith teenagers started slightly later in terms of the researchers to wintheir breaks and more active as well. So we've had staggered start times.We've had five term years, you know, the three term wass agricultural interms of the times that we did. But but I think there's lots of factors toconsider on an individual basis there, you know, you communities on DH thatyou're working with the networks for them so into in terms consultation. Butit definitely opens up to the point of how many hours do learn is need topatch to be in school on that, with the growth that we've got in many localauthorities and areas, Andi, in terms of the amount of school bills andextensions that we need, would also help address that problem for many a czWell, but we need models of whether that's going to work. And I'munderstood all those models will start tonight. Well, we certainly all hadunexpected evidence based drawing with, um and, you know, trying to look on.This ghastly thing is, you know, in any kind of positivity. So what do you think about the balance?We currently have a contact lens curriculum on DH developmental andskills based curriculum. What way would you push it if you have the magicworlds? If I have the magic one that cushy alot further, too. Skills based. But it's quality content. I see a lot ofcontent that that's not quality. I was helping my niece with her. My son work.Andi used no more environment right now in its foot. I rolled my eyeballs. Tobegin with is a must petition. I'm actually brilliant. When when I neededrefraction, I kicked on the help and it took me to the exact spot in that video.I could do a test question. I'll help mine Easter test question at me onethat way. So it's brilliant. On another night I did actually Mewtwo teacherbecause I was seven minutes into the lesson on DIT was watching, hinted in aworksheet which again that master stand to to try and me. But I wasn't engagedin that learning at all, and I was put off learning at that specific point.The teacher also provided mass contents. I'm not being too critical, but there'sgood and bags on. We've had to do this, that spade, and they need to know,reflect on that and do to speed. But I'd like content creators with ourlearners, not content consumers. You know, we're so used to scrawl in onscreens as shoppers or snap shutters or whatever they do these days thatactually we need to get learn, is excited about creating content online,about creating their own websites and their own naps and collaboratingtogether and having the funny alone. In...

...that way on DH. I'm very mindful thatwe don't put Children off technology as well, because we're having to increasethis free time for them. Actually, we having to increase the screen time forthem. But, you know, I would love to give my nephew a project that means heplays off from the screen for four hours and just comes back to show mewhat he's doing. He doesn't need to be physically sitting down with thatscreen for those four hours, but again that needs time to develop. Thatcontent is you. You said that project based learning, mapping that back tomake sure that we have covered the curriculum areas. But make sure that wecan still do the assessment that is content based, you know, as a teacherin Year six if I'd given them enough, so they're going to get a good levelfalls on Level five, Little said that we're going to enjoy the learning thatwe do. So you know, we'd also need two addresses. You keep mentioning theassessment area too much the curriculum. We do need some content and we didn'tdo any good content. And I think that the content, I completely agree and Ithink we love content created. And I think the more we can do that, the morewe're promoting general literally, but also digital literacy amongst the youngpeople because they're using in a way that is genuinely engaging. And I thinkthere's no doubt that we need some, you know, some fundamental content. Butactually, if we don't embrace what's out there on their ability to accesscontent and information and actually put it in their hands when I wasinvolved in flipped learning projects for 78 years ago, where you know, theyoung people being that was their role, and some of them were normal. What theyoung people presented in the shared learning was amazing. And some of themwas the laziest teaching I've ever seen in my life. Ah, no. I think thatwhatever you're putting in place, you need to make sure Exactly as you said.There's properly understood and people properly behind it. And it is properlyresourced and trained for Yeah, And again, that goes back to the leadershipon DH two somewhat. The infrastructures that were in place for to trust thisweek we do in single tendency on that means that they can Yes, of all theindividual turns is at the moment. But again, you can get issues. Then youjust want to make your scene. This was possible. So any good practise that ishappening. And resources, any content paid their learning could be shedeasily across those trust on the leadership can can monitor that Ethansupport back through software across that single tendencias. Well, so again,it's using technology to get out of it. What you want that collaboration thatreviewing had learning that planning the next steps technology needs to makeit easier, quicker or better. Otherwise, people weren't too doctor, and it's gotto the point now that it is simple. But it is simple, and there are solutionsthere that will do what schools want to...

...do from single tendency to a R V r.They've been done in education in this country, you know, there are places wecan go say their providers, that Khun Support is doing it, so it's a veryexciting time. One schools are on that sort of digital journey. At thebeginning, we have got because of the digital gap. A lot of schools to get inon The first stage is onto that journey at the moment, in terms again, theirinfrastructure they brought about their wife are salty diets and devices intothe hands of learners when they haven't had them before. So we just need tosupport people at those various stages. There's another toll, for example, iswhat is the online learning. I mentioned that easy parking developedthis edgy think of just in a sort of process to support schools in terms of1 to 1 projects and what they need to think about from home access to saveguardian to lease in verses. Licencing exception except et cetera. So thereare lots of tools on lots of examples coming out populist. I am going to takeyou onto that question of assessment on At the moment, we have traditionallydone assessment based on trying to capture the amount of contentpredominantly, that's our learners have managed to acquire and retained for theperiod of the exam. There's been lots of controversy about, you know, teacherlet assessments. What part do you think technology can play in changing what wedo now on DH, allowing maybe more innovative ways of showing a youngperson's development capabilities For a start, Learners should have the optionand ability to use technology to us part of their evidence in learningtheir Cem Brilliant creative digital content creators out there and I wantto see their videos and I want to see their games and their websites andtheir storyboards on technology gives me the ability to follow that journeywith them or review that journey at the end through very portfolio and theirresources on there. So whether they can answer a question or not might not bewhat is evident, good learning within that curriculum area, so it canobviously be used as a tool of some way Palin pencil thin. But it should beused, you know, in terms of a learner, should have access to it. Full stop, inmy opinion, for that on obviously, tests can be available onadministrative online and obviously the market of that. I'm a mathematician,complete them online for some of it as a mathematician as well. I don't wanteverything skills based. I don't actually like content assessments, andI think we need to accept that some students do. That's what they like. SoI wouldn't have wanted a lot of project...

...based learning because it wasn't theway I did. He Andi wasn't the way I evidence Tower did it. But if I did, Iwant all the I's duty tools available to remain all my editing tools, and Iwant to be able to demonstrate it the way that I could have done a picture inoils or past ALS. I want to be able to use a PlayStation platform to celebratemy drama. For one thing, do you think that the era of the GCM yet GCS and alevels just looking at the at the English correct living more the UK Doyou think that here is over? Do you think we need to put it to bed now andcome up with something different and we need you to put it to better back 20years ago. But it's been the hardest thing to movein education at least that I've seen since I've been working education forthe last 2030 years. Um, I hope so, but it never seems to get into base. Neverseems tohave the focus or understanding the government level that that it needs.And hopefully they'll involve. I had teachers, a married teacher, unions ingetting some better assessment models in place. Well, you you would hide. Icompletely agree with you. I think it is time for its going to bed. Well, Ithink there are very many more ways we can do this. That one only help youngpeople, but will, you're coming at it from a purely commercial point of view.Will help me as an employer with well, exactly on time and again the sector onthat. I'm working with a lot of Obamacare. That's exactly what they'refacing at the moment. You know, we are looking at recruitment, trying to getyounger people into beasts and through that using technology to do it. Butthen when those people apply, we want to be able to see an evidence the factthat they are able to do the job successfully and competently. Now, atthe moment, most care providers will retrain because they need Teo. AssureCQ seethe same Listen, school's offset. So they need to pass off state but alsoseek, you see on. Because of that, you've got massive training on alsopeople being retrained within six months, whereas actually technology canprovided benchmark for that on an environment for that on a place whereemployers can go to see what what these learners condemned. If I am employingon I'm in a tech company, I don't want to see at least of a, you know, sevens,eights, nines. I want to see what that line is done. Yeah, and actually thatevidence based on have we can help young people captured their skills andtheir evidence differently throughout their lives on DH, I mean, I think thatthat has a real opportunity to level the playing field, particularly aroundyour people, from very disadvantage. You know, actually, poor backgrounds,because often their skill acquisition is incredible. We just don't give themany tools to help identify the skills that they captured on your mark. It isdouble a CZ. Well, if you ask...

...specialist enough in that areaAbsolutely. Hello. It's been a complete pleasure. Thank you very much for yourtime. I'm forward to catching back up with you on those two things you'regonna look into on DH. I will run the web link alongside your Thank you verymuch for your time. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for listening tothis episode of Third Millennium Education. I'd like to know what hasbeen your biggest takeaway from this conversation. If you did enjoy thisepisode, do hit the subscribe button to continue to receive future episodes ofthis. If you would like to be interviewed oryou know somebody who would be good to interview, please also get in touch. Ihope you'll join me on the next episode. And together we can carry on theconversation to ensure that we can best meet the needs of Third MillenniumLearners employers in the country. Thank you again and see you on the nextepisode.

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